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    Police: Shooting of teen: Don't cover up, MP tells police

    A few issues here:

    What's a 15-year-old kid doing driving a car?

    Was the kid trying to run away from a police check?

    Why are our police so trigger happy?

    Shooting of teen: Don't cover up, MP tells police

    Jimadie Shah Othman
    Apr 27, 10

    PAS MP Khalid Samad told the police today to ensure the safety of a witness to yesterday's shooting of a 15-year old boy in Section 11, Shah Alam, warning them he would brook no attempt to change the witness' statement made on the incident.

    Addressing Selangor police chief Khalid Abu Bakar at a press conference this morning, the Shah Alam parliamentarian said: “I ask the police chief to guarantee the safety of this witness.

    "Let there not be any move to change his statement.” Malaysiakini. Please support Malaysiakini by subscribing as a reader.

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    Re: Police: Shooting of teen: UMNO jumps on the bandwagon demanding "Keadilan"

    It is sad that a young Malaysian boy was shot dead. Our condolence goes to the family of the deceased.

    We should bear in mind that this incident is just the latest manifestation of a systemic failure of the Police Force. They are just too trigger-happy - shoot first, talk later! They have been used as an arm to protect UMNO's interest to suppress the people. Along the way, the Govt has lost control over the Police and they are running wild and abusing their power with impunity. Isn't it interesting how some weapons are always found in the "victim's" vehicles?

    Now we have idiots from UMNO mouthing "Keadilan" (, when they are the ones who are the culprits behind the suppression of justice. Keadilan from UMNO is an oxymoron!


    Set up the IPCMC to control the Police! We need an Institution to protect us from the Police!

    UMNO Must Go by GE 13!

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    Re: Police: Shooting of teen: DAP wants probe on ‘trigger-happy’ cops

    DAP wants probe on ‘trigger-happy’ cops

    By Boo Su-Lyn

    KUALA LUMPUR, April 28 — Monday’s fatal shooting of 15-year-old Aminulrasyid Amzah by the police is not just another case and must be investigated thoroughly and transparently, said DAP Serdang MP Teo Nie Ching today.

    The teenage boy was driving his sister’s Proton Iswara and had allegedly tried to ram into police officers in Section 11, Shah Alam, which caused them to fire on Aminulrasyid in “self-defence”.

    However, Aminulrasyid’s friend, who was the only witness in the incident aside from the police officers involved, reported a different set of events, saying that they were chased by a police patrol car after they overtook the said vehicle.

    He also said that when the police shot at their car, they were forced to stop on the road shoulder. Aminulrasyid’s friend then claimed he got out from the car to surrender but was kicked and punched by the police officers. He then said he struggled with the police, managed to escape, and went straight home.

    “What is frightening to me in this case is that this isn’t the first time that our police officers have been accused of being trigger-happy in ‘enforcing’ the law,” said Teo in statement.

    He cited a case in October 2009 where Norizan Salleh was shot five times when the police opened fire at the car she was travelling in with some friends. Her right wrist was shattered by two bullets while two other bullets grazed her arm and torso. The last bullet hit her in the middle of her chest, narrowly missing her heart.

    Human rights group, Suara Rakyat Malaysia (Suaram), said there were 44 cases of death by police shooting in 2008.

    During Malaysia’s Universal Periodic Review by the Human Rights Council (HRC) in Geneva last year, the council recommended that the Malaysian government ensure regular training for representatives of the police force, so as to educate them on human rights and the legally-binding nature of international law.

    “It is wrong and callous for the police to behave in such a manner, and sadly, the Malaysian public has no confidence in the police force’s assurances of a professional investigation for we have seen too many cases of police brutality covered up by the authorities,” lamented Teo.

    The Home Ministry announced they had set up a special panel to probe the alleged police shooting. Umno’s Datuk Noh Omar also reportedly said that the issue would be raised in a Cabinet meeting today.

    Aminulrasyid was described as cheerful teenager who liked sports and had many friends in school. He was also due to sit for his PMR exam this year. TheMalaysiaInsider....

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    Re: Police: Shooting of teen: Quick-draw cops, slow-action government

    Until the root cause is resolved, expect more such incidents in future.

    Quick-draw cops, slow-action government — The Malaysian Insider

    APRIL 28 — Aminulrasyid Amzah’s death won’t be the first time the people and politicians call for action against police for being “trigger-happy”. And it won’t be the last, if the government of the day doesn’t take action.

    Way back in Aug 22, 1986, schoolboy Elmi Tahir was shot and killed on his birthday while out with his girlfriend, Suzlina Nordin. Then Parliamentary Opposition Leader Lim Kit Siang called for a Police “ombudsman” to investigate due to “conflicting stories about the incident, as well as discrepancies in the official police version,” which he said “raised anew the need for an independent inquiry into all complaints about negligence, killing and crimes”.

    “The police had said that Elmi was shot during a car chase, when, as his father Tahir Salam has now clarified, Elmi was shot at point blank range after he had stopped his car. Gunpowder traces on his head showed that he was shot at close range. Elmi was shot the above the right eyebrow, the bullet coming out at the back of his head,” said Lim, who was then Tanjong MP and Kampung Kolam assemblyman.

    The ombudsman idea never took off.

    Thirteen years later, 29-year-old Dr Tai Eng Teck was gunned down by police at the Bandar Tasek Selatan LRT station car park on Sept 29, 1999. Police constable Tony ak Beliang was subsequently charged for the offence and convicted, but was later acquitted upon appeal.

    Earlier this month on April 10, two brothers R. Logeswaran, 34, and R. Sathitanathan, 27, were shot dead in Jalan Kamunting Gardens, Taiping. Police said one of them was high on the wanted list.

    On Monday, Aminulrasyid became the latest statistic and politicians from both sides of the divide want action to be taken. The Royal Malaysian Police have transferred the four policemen involved in the incident to desk duties pending an investigation.

    Still, there remains no police ombudsman and the Independent Police Complaints and Misconduct Commission (IPCMC), proposed by a Royal Commission in 2005, was eventually replaced by a Special Complaints Commission tabled in 2007. This was also later changed to the Enforcement Agency Integrity Commission (Siap), and passed by parliament last year.

    All said and done, this only takes care of the results after an incident has taken place.

    What Malaysians are interested in now is how to prevent another Elmi Tahir, Dr Tai, Logeswaran, Sathianathan and, most recently, Aminulrasyid from happening with such frequency or at all.

    While it’s possible some might have been guilty of one offence or another, the heavy firepower used suggests many things.

    Among them is the lack of training, and the issuing of high-powered weapons to inexperienced policemen recall the idea of a “shoot-first-ask-questions-later” policy.

    This isn’t surprising considering the police announced in late February that it had cut training for new recruits, from six months to three, to allow the force to hire more policemen.

    Federal police management (training) deputy director Datuk Mortadza Nazarene said the move was necessary to expedite the intake of some 60,000 policemen desperately needed to maintain peace and combat crime.

    At present, the country has close to 100,000 policemen.

    “Hiring more cops is part of the NKRA for the police force. This is important as we have set our targets to reduce the crime index and make the country a safe place to be at all times.

    “This is also part of our strategy to enhance our role as a quality service provider,” Mortadza said.

    In the 1980s and 1990s, new police recruits were required to undergo a nine-month training programme. This was then reduced to six.

    Is it then any wonder that we have more shooting cases these days? The policemen in the cases of Elmi, Dr Tai and Aminulrasyid were not part of the CID but general duty policemen on patrol.

    Why are they carrying high-powered guns?

    And how can two police patrol cars be in the same vicinity within moments? Is it a policy to aim at drivers rather than tyres in such incidents?

    Aminulrasyid was probably just a few years younger than the policemen who shot him. They were all probably frightened during the 2am incident — one at being chased by policemen, and the others feeling threatened by a car speeding at them.

    We don’t know for sure. All we know is Aminulrasyid is dead. But we can’t make him just another statistic.

    The police will have to come clean on this case and many others. And the government must ensure that the cops on the street know how and when to use their weapons.

    Because the police are there to protect us. Not shoot us. TheMalaysiaInsider....

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    Re: Police: Shooting of teen: LKS - Why was boy shot from the back?

    Don't hold your breath to wait for an answer. The typical tactic is stone-walling until the public's attention is drawn elsewhere.

    Kit Siang wants to know why boy was shot from the back
    By Neville Spykerman

    KUALA LUMPUR, April 29 — Lim Kit Siang (picture) today said police should explain press reports that teenager Aminulrasyid Hamzah was shot in the back of the head when he tried to reverse his car and ram police.

    The Ipoh Timur MP pointed out that the dead schoolboy’s family has denied the police account which has also been challenged by neighbours and an eyewitness.

    “As Aminul was shot in the back of his head and killed, he could not have posed any clear or present danger to police personnel.

    “Why did they fire — with some neighbours saying they heard not less than five shots?”

    He pointed out that there were other discrepancies including reports that there was a parang in the car.

    This has also been denied by Aminul’s mother Norsiah Mohamad, who said the car belonged to his sister and contained shoes and not a machete.

    “Will the Selangor police chief Datuk Khalid Abu Bakar personally apologise to the aggrieved family if this official police version is proven to be untrue?”

    The DAP stalwart also lashed out at Khalid for issuing what he described as a “ham-fisted” and unwarranted “stern warning” to politicians and the public not to make statements or to speculate on the incident as it undermines public confidence in police integrity and professionalism.

    “Khalid is clearly behind time as he does not realise that we are in the era of democratic and accountable policing, and not living in a police state where no questions should be asked about the police.”

    Lim said an independent committee should not only investigate the fatal shooting but the conflicting police account of what happened.

    He said police by now would know if Aminul was a criminal and should immediately and publicly clear his name and that of his family’s.

    He added that a royal commission of inquiry should be established to probe all similar cases including that of Norizan Salleh, 29, who survived being shot five times by police after a car chase in Kuala Lumpur last year.

    Lim said today’s assurances by the Inspector-General of Police and the home minister that there will be no cover up does not inspire confidence in the victim’s grieving family or the public. TheMalaysiaInsider....

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    Re: Police: Shooting of teen:Can’t shoot unless ‘deadly’ threat, says ex-cops

    Can’t shoot unless ‘deadly’ threat, says ex-cops

    By Neville Spykerman

    [Aminulrasyid’s mother (right) holds a picture of him, at a press conference. — file pic]

    Aminulrasyid’s mother (right) holds a picture of him, at a press conference. — file pic
    SHAH ALAM, April 29 — Policemen may only discharge their firearms when there is an imminent threat of death or grievous hurt, two retired senior officers said today, even as controversy continued over the fatal shooting of schoolboy, Aminulrasyid Amzah.

    One of them also pointed out that policemen could only open fire at a car if the occupants were known to be dangerous criminals. TheMalaysiaInsider....

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    Re: Police: Shooting of teen: Don't cover up, MP tells police

    Musa Hassan jumps in with both feet into his mouth.

    The Bodoh-sombong Syndrome (BSS) permeates the whole UMNO hierarchy including their guard-dogs in the War Machine. These are all the signs of the system failing.

    IGP: We could pull cops off the streets if that's what you want

    Apr 29, 10 6:41pm

    Inspector-general of police Musa Hassan has suggested that he would pull his men off the streets amid criticisms over Monday's shooting of 14-year-old Aminulrasyid Amzah.

    "If you do not want the police to enforce the law, then say so," said the police chief, when asked for his response towards criticism by opposition parties and NGOs over the matter.

    .........Kit Siang: Resign now!

    In an immediate reaction, DAP advisor Lim Kit Siang condemned Musa's “threat” and likened it to committing “gross insubordination”.

    “This is a most disgraceful statement from the IGP as it tantamount to an open and public insurbodination against the Malaysian people who pay for his salary,” he said.

    Lim adds that groups who have opposed the repeated extension of Musa's contract have been vindicated today, adding that the IGP had “overstayed his welcome”.

    He said that the country can not afford to wait for Musa's contract to expire and requires that he step down now following the remark. Malaysiakini. Please support by subscribing as a reader.

    Cabinet should censure Musa

    Members of both sides of the political spectrum also hit out at the top cop for "confusing the issue". Malaysiakini. Please support by subscribing as a reader.

    'IGP must resign or face demos'

    Apr 30, 10 3:38pm

    Several Pakatan Rakyat elected representatives have given Inspector-General of Police Musa Hassan a one-month ultimatum to resign, failing which the latter would face nationwide demonstrations.

    The ultimatum was issued in response to Musa's statement yesterday where he suggested that police personnel be pulled off the streets following criticism over the police shooting of a 14-year-old in Shah Alam on Monday. Malaysiakini. Please support by subscribing as a reader.

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    Re: Police: Shooting of teen: Don't cover up, MP tells police

    AG: They came with the file and left with the file," he said.

    Does this sound like ping-pong? Play for time until the public forgets. Tested and proven.

    Teen shooting: AG reverts back to cops

    Hafiz Yatim
    Apr 30, 10

    The Attorney-General's Chambers have returned the investigation papers into the police shooting of 14-year-old Aminulrasyid Amzah.

    With this, the police would have to continue probing the case, although they have wrapped up investigations earlier today.

    When contacted, attorney-general Abdul Gani Patail he had given "certain directions" to the police regarding the additional information needed in the investigations. Malaysiakini. Please support by subscribing as a reader.

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    Re: Police: Shooting of teen: Politics and the death of a schoolboy

    Politics and the death of a schoolboy

    Friday, 30 April 2010 admin-s

    By John Lee, The Malaysian Insider

    Aminulrasyid Amzah is barely buried, and already the political knives are out, with both Umno and Pakatan Rakyat clamouring for the right to champion justice for him and his family. Naturally, the ostensibly non-partisan folk are coming out of the woodwork to sternly warn against “politicising” the death of this 14-year-old boy.

    That, frankly, is a load of steaming cow crap. As ugly as politics is, there are far worse things for political parties to fight over than being the flag-bearer for justice.

    Really, who do the police answer to anyway? The answer is simple: they answer to politicians. And for this reason, when you have cops gunning down 14-year-old boys, you can bet your butt it’s going to be a political issue. Malaysiatoday....

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    Re: Police: Shooting of teen: Khalid Samad reveals 2nd witness in Aminul’s death

    Khalid Samad reveals 2nd witness in Aminul’s death
    By Neville Spykerman

    SHAH ALAM, April 30 — A second witness has come forward to claim that Aminulrasyid Amzah did not reverse his car the morning he was shot dead by police, Shah Alam MP Khalid Samad said today.

    He urged the police must “face up the truth” and reveal all that happened when the 14-year-old schoolboy died.

    “It’s nonsensical for police to maintain he was shot while trying to reverse into them.” the Shah Alam PAS divisional leader said. TheMalaysiaInsider.... 2nd witness.

    The Malaysian Insider
    Tuesday May 04 2010

    MCA backs cops in shooting death

    By Syed Jaymal Zahiid

    At the press conference, Azamuddin Omar, a friend of Aminulrasyid who sat next to him when the shooting took place, disputed police claims that his friend had tried to ram policemen with his sister’s car.

    “They shot him in the head, and his body fell onto my lap, but his foot was on the accelerator and the car was still moving,” said the teenager, adding that the police kept on shooting until the car hit a wall.

    Azamuddin said he managed to crawl out of the car and wanted to surrender himself but he was kicked in the head and assaulted by no fewer than five policemen. Imagine what would have been the story if there was no witness left.

    TheMalaysiaInsider.... MCA backs cops.

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